By Tony Greenstein
At the JW3 ‘debate’ earlier this week, Jeremy Corbyn was asked what he most admired in Israel. This was an ideal opportunity to tell the audience and the questioner some home truths about both the Occupied Territories and Israel itself.
He could have told them that Israel today is an Apartheid Society. Of the approximately 6 million Palestinians it rules over, just 1.5 million have a vote and that is increasingly circumscribed with the Arab parties in Israel under increasing attack. Balad arrests won’t be the last in Israel’s ethnocracy
Unfortunately, Jeremy felt the need to fawn and flatter his audience rather than telling them some home truths. Some people will say ‘what does it matter’. I suggest this is why. In the event Corbyn becomes Prime Minister he would, on this evidence, bow and buckle to the much greater pressure of the City of London and industrialists. But also because a strategy based on appeasement is destined to failure. You stand up to your foes you don’t hand them olive branches to hit you in the face with. This is not just true of the Zionists. It is equally applicable to his MPs. Those who refuse to accept the legitimacy of his election should be told to depart or they will be deselected and have the whip withdrawn.
I have therefore taken the liberty of drafting the answers to the question that Corbyn was asked which he should have given! It is in the hope that next time he will have the courage of his convictions.
Q: Jeremy & Owen – I wanted to find out from you what aspects of Israel & its achievements do you most admire
Jeremy Corbyn: Thank you for a most interesting questions. The things I admire most about Israel include:
Its no nonsense arrest of Palestinian children as young as 12 and their shackling in chains. In particular Israel’s willingness to assault and even torture them if necessary, as articulated by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel. It really takes some nerve to do this and claim you are still a democracy. You can’t help admiring Israel for this. I have to say I particularly like the Military’s practice of getting the children to sign confessions in a language they don’t understand (Hebrew). Serves the blighters right. It’s downright anti-Semitism refusing to learn the language of the occupying power. It is pleasing to note that the Military Courts under which these brats – sorry children – are charged have a 99.7% conviction rate. That might seem rather high but on the other hand it does demonstrate that it is possible to obtain a conviction but given the genius of the Israeli military it’s not surprising that they only get it wrong about once every 300 times.
It really is irrelevant that Jewish children in the same territories are entitled to things like a responsible adult attending an interview, social workers, nice warm offices and of course that they can’t be tried if they are under 14. We really must understand that there is no comparison between Palestinian and Israeli Jewish children. Those who take umbrage at this are, as my friend Jeremy Newmark says, out and out anti-Semites and Janet Royall has already had harsh words for those who alleged Apartheid at Oxford University Labour Club.
I particularly admire the annual Jerusalem day demonstration where thousands of settler youth express their tender and loving feelings towards Jerusalem’s Arabs by shouting ‘Death to the Arabs’. You have to admire Israel’s ability to get away with this and in particular the actions of Israel’s police in arresting any anti-racist protesters out to cause trouble. I understand that this year, the slogans were more varied and included the quite novel one, ‘A Jew is a soul, an Arabis a son of a whore.’ You have to give it to Israel’s democracy, it is most inventive.
I also admire the determination of Israel to ‘cleanse’ the Negev (southern desert area) of Israel of Bedouin villages such as Al Arakabh which get in the way of those nice, Jewish towns. This process of Judaisation might upset people but we must remember this is a Jewish state.
Of course I deprecate the repeated vandalism and arson at the Hand to Hand school, one of the few mixed Jewish-Arab schools in Israel. However Israel is a Jewish state and it is understandable that State schools in Israel are segregated. It is anti-Semitic to compare this with similar schools in Apartheid South Africa. Israel is a Jewish state. South Africa was a White Apartheid state. Anyway if do gooders insist on setting up private mixed schools which encourage Jewish and Arab children to mix, thus encouraging the possibility of sinful Jewish-Arab relationships, is it any wonder that religious Jews take offence?I personally applaud the efforts of the Israeli government to discourage miscegenation. Tzipi Hotoveli, Israel’s religious nut of a Deputy Foreign Minister was quite correct, when she said that it was “important to examine procedures for preventing mixed marriages, and Lehava members are the right people for that,” It’s true that Lehava is technically a fascist organisation that hates gays, beats up Arabs and sets fire to Churches and Mosques, but it is doing important work to preserve the Jewishness of the Jewish state. Those who oppose this work are, Mr McNicol informs me, anti-Semitic and will be suspended forthwith from the LP.
I particularly applaud the bold and courageous decision of the Education Ministry to ban that disgraceful book Borderland by Dorit Rabinyan. [Israeli-Palestinian love story omitted from curriculum tops bestseller lists]. This book portrayed as normal relationships between Arab and Jewish teens. In a Jewish state this is likely to undermine the purity of the ruling race, I mean group and as such is something only terrorists would support. As Dalia Fenig, an Education Ministry spokesperson explained:
‘“Adolescent youth tend to romanticise and don’t have, in many cases, the systematic point of view that includes considerations about preserving the identity of the nation and the significance of assimilation,”
As you will see it was a question of protecting Israel’s national identity, that is Israel’s ‘Jewish national identity.’ I think this is a particularly brave decision as otherwise Jewish children would grow up with the idea that an Arab girl or boy friend was a normal choice to make.
As you may know, the practice of the Jewish National Fund, which controls 93% of Israeli land, was to forbid Arabs to rent or lease Jewish national land. Unfortunately when Adalah, a trouble making NGO and a Mr Kadan, a trouble-making Arab, went to the High Court the Judges could not find a legal reason to forbid Arabs from renting ‘national’ land. Attorney General Mazuz then issued a ruling barring such practices.
This is of course disgraceful. The Israeli Labour Party, those good friends of that nice Mr Jeremy Newmark, were outrage and quite rightly so. Didn’t the judges understand that Israel is a Jewish state? The JNF has been in existence since 1901 buying up land for Jewish use. To call it racist is in itself a form of anti-Semitism. Just because Jews can only access the land it doesn’t mean that Arabs suffer anything. As the JNF said, it is Jewish Peoples Land and Arabs should recognise they are in the Jewish state as guests, on sufferance. Fortunately the Knesset, which as you all know is Israel’s democratic parliament, stepped in to pass the Acceptance to Communities Law. This will help keep Arabs out of Jewish towns as they will have to ‘fit in’ and existing (Jewish) residents will have the final say on who is accepted into the community.
I particularly respect the practice that has grown up in Israel’s hospitals that a Jewish woman is offered the choice of not having to share a maternity ward with an Arab. As the American Jewish magazine says, Maternity Ward Segregation (is) Just Tip of the Iceberg in Israel. When having a Jewish baby it is totally wrong to have an Arab in the next bed.
As we all know, Jewish students suffer terribly from anti-Semitism these days. I can only applaud Israel’s Technion University amongst other Israeli Universities, which offer Jewish students a choice of not having to share accommodation with Arabs. As you know Arabs do not share the same standards as Jews and this is not racism but a question of hygiene and culture. Also of course they are anti-Semites. [Arab and Jewish students live in separate housing at the Technion]. I know there are some anti-Semites who will raise objections, but I hope people will understand that Jews are at a higher level of civilisation than Arabs.
I applaud the crackdown on left-wing Israeli human rights organisations and NGOs. Organisations such as Breaking the Silence which distributes the testimony of former soldiers about so-called human rights crimes, are doing the work of terrorists. These allegations are undermining Israel’s reputation as a democracy and the Occupation which we know is the most benign in history. Israel’s new Transparency Law will therefore require all NGOs to disclose any foreign funding in order that these NGOs can be vilified as the unpatriotic, terrorist supporters that they are.Some of these so-called human rights organisations, such as Btselem, actually provide these Arabs with cameras to catch our brave troops off guard in the West Bank. Recently one soldier who lost it with an 8 year old Palestinian girl, who was doing her best to be annoying, was caught on camera destroying her bike. Clearly this was a case of entrapment. They teach their children young, being anti-Semites, and the poor soldier was pilloried as a result of Btselem’s irresponsibility. Of course right-wing NGOs and politicians like Netanyahu who receive private as opposed to public funding from abroad will be able to preserve their privacy. That is how it should be. Private funding of Im Tirzu and similar fascist NGOs should not be inhibited by unwelcome publicity to donors such as the American billionaire Sheldon Adelson.
I have to confess that as a budding Prime Minister I particularly admire Prime Minister Netanyahu’s video on Facebook for encouraging Jewish voters to get out and vote by warning that ‘droves’ of Arabs were coming out to vote. Of course this is not racism it is merely encouraging Jewish voters to turn out at the voting booths.
I also warmly appreciate the honesty of Deputy Defence Minister Rabbi Eli Dahan that ‘“even gay Jews have higher souls than all non-Jews, gay or straight.” Of course the learned Rabbi explained that he didn’t therefore support gays, it was just that Arabs were even lower in the human racial hierarchy than gay Jews. Indeed he later clarified that Palestinians are “like animals, they aren’t human.” At a time of political correctness, such honesty is breathtaking. Of course there are some misguided people who don’t understand that Israel is a democracy, a live one, with verve and spirit. Why Prime Minister Netanyahu explained that Israel needed a fence around it to protect it from ‘wild beasts’ [there are non in the Middle East – he meant the local Arabs]
I guess what particularly pleases me and I’m sure little Owen Smith would agree, is the democracy that Israel embodies. In a region known for dictatorship, Israel is a beacon of light. I was particularly interested in the recent Pew Research Centre’s Survey on Israel’s Religious Divided Society. I know Owen will join me on this. When a plurality of Israel’s Jewish population (48%-46%) says that Israel’s Palestinian population should be expelled and when Israel’s fascist foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman recently reiterated this as good democrats we should tell Israel’s Arabs that they must go. As even the leader of Israel’s Labour Party Isaac Herzog said, Labour is not an ‘Arab lovers’ party. It is good to hear such frank comments from the Jewish Labour Movement’s sister party in Israel. I’m sure that wonderful man, Jeremy Newmark, was happy to hear that Israeli Labour are no slouch when it comes to Arabs.
I was also interested that in the same survey, 79% of Jewish respondents said that Jewish citizens of Israel should have preferential treatment. Is there anyone who seriously doubts this should happen in a Jewish state? I hope not.
Israel’s vibrant democracy is an example to all. I only learnt recently of the new law that will enable the majority of Israel’s Knesset (parliament) to expel troublemakers from its ranks. Israel’s Knesset passes law that allows expulsion of lawmakers Although neutrally worded, everyone knows that it is aimed at a few Israeli Palestinian trouble makers from the Balad party. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts to stop them standing, they have been allowed to do so by our High Court and these misguided Arabs keep voting for them. I understand that Ayelet Shaked Israel’s Justice Minister is determined to reform the Court. I know that some people pillory Ayelet and even accuse her of supporting genocide. This is most unfair, she was only saying that Palestinian mothers give birth to little Palestinian snakes whose sole desire in life is to blow Jews up.
In future when someone like Haneen Zoabi, a particular reprehensible anti-Semite who called Israel’s soldiers murderers, for having executed (I mean killed) 10 people on board the Marva Marmara, which was breaching Israel’s unlawful blockade of Gaza, behaves in this way, then we will be able to expel them from the Knesset. It is unfortunately a loophole in Israel’s democracy that people who don’t support a Jewish state (like Arabs) are able to take advantage of our democracy in order to subvert it. This is only to be admired. There are a few MPs like Hilary Benn I would like expel from our Parliament so I believe that this should be welcomed.
Can I just add a word of praise for Israel’s healthy and democratic foreign policy. When all around were boycotting it, Israel was Apartheid South Africa’s best friend. Brothers in arms – Israel’s secret pact with Pretoria. This takes real courage comrades. In particular, when the United States cowardly cut off arms supplies and weapons supplies to regimes such as Pinochet and the Argentinian generals, Israel was always prepared to step into the breach. I think we should be deeply appreciative of Israel’s support for democracy in Central and South America. Mothers of the disappeared in Latin America feel Gaza’s pain
Comrades and friends, Israel is a vibrant and thriving racial democracy. It ill behoves us to criticise it for what we perceive as its failings when it is one of the world’s strongest states and our ally against enemies of the West.’
A Sad Reflection of Corbyn’s Political Drift
The above is, of course, not the answer Corbyn gave but it is the answer he should have given. I knew Jeremy Corbyn over 30 years ago, even before he became an MP. There was no stronger supporter of the Palestinians. He has been to Palestine at least 6 times and every year without fail, Jeremy Corbyn turned up at Palestine Solidarity Conference. Today he seems to have forgotten what Israel’s behaviour is like. He has been so tranfixed by the ‘anti-Semitism’ allegations that he no longer knows what to believe in.
No one is more aware than Corbyn of the horrors of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Yet at the JW3 ‘debate’ earlier this week he grovelled and flattered the supporters of Israel. When asked what he admired about Israel (see transcript below) he said ‘Its verve and spirit’. That is, of course, one way of putting it.
The madness of this type of behaviour is illustrated by the fact that the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement voted by 92% to 4% to support Owen Smith. Corbyn will not gain the support of the Zionists and racists of the Israel lobby. If he had been better advised he would have left Owen Smith to speak alone to JW3 whilst he spoke to his supporters.
Yet this is not just the failure of one man. It is testimony to the unremitting ‘anti-Semitism’ campaign, with its wall to wall media coverage, that has created the appearance of an all pervasive anti-Semitism and the accompanying headlines out of absolutely nothing. Ask someone to name any specific anti-Semitic incident or comment and they would be hard pressed to do so. To this day no one has refuted Asa Winstanley’s exposure of the bogus and crooked allegations that led up to the Oxford University Labour Club accusations. [How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party’s anti-Semitism crisis]
Ruth Smeeth, the false victim of ‘anti-Semitism’ at the Chakrabarti press conference talks of 25,000 ‘abusive’ tweets. I suspect that there were thousands of messages, not least from me, attacking her for being a Drama Queen, a fake and a phony but I doubt there were many anti-Semitic posts. If there were any genuinely anti-Semitic posts they would have come from fascists not from people in the Labour Party.
Corbyn’s experiences over the past year are a sombre warning to all those who believe it is possible to support the Palestinians on the basis of Israel’s human rights violations without understanding that the latter are a result of the Jewish nature of the Israeli state. It is Zionist settler colonialism, its search for an ethnically pure state, its constant desire to effect ethnic cleansing at the same time as it colonises and consolidates its occupation, which leads to the human rights violations.
It is a lesson that Palestine Solidarity Campaign has yet to learn. You cannot support the Palestinians unless you reject Zionism. Two statism, support for a Jewish state, is incompatible with self-determination and justice for the Palestinians.
When I think of Corbyn’s behaviour in feeding the hand that keeps smacking him in the face I recall one of David Cameron’s better jokes. Towards the end of his premiership Cameron told Corbyn that he admired the Labour leader’s “tenacity” in clinging on to power despite attempts by MPs to oust him. “He has reminded me of the Black Knight in Monty Python’s ‘Holy Grail’. He has been kicked so many times but he says, ‘keep going, it’s only a flesh wound’.”
It is a joke but it contains a kernel of reality. Instead of constantly trying to appease the unappeasable Corbyn should have said at the outset to the Jewish Labour Movement and their friends that yes he condemns anti-Semitism but he also condemns attempts to use anti-Semitism as a weapon against supporters of Palestine.
The reality in the last year is that Corbyn has denied, until he is blue in the face, that he is an anti-Semite. This has had no effect on his critics because what they mean by anti-Semitism is not the traditional Jew hatred, which is non-existent in the Labour Party but the so called ‘New anti-Semitism’ which defines opposition to Israel as a Jewish state as anti-Semitism. It is new because it is opposition to a state rather than Jews as individuals or a group.
The level of debate amongst both politicians and the mass media is abysmal. It appeals to the lowest common denominator. It deliberately obfuscates and confuses categories. You don’t have to be particularly intelligent to understand that racism can only be directed at people. You can’t be racist against a state. A state is an inanimate structure or in Marx’s words, a body of armed men. Leaving aside the absurdity of the Zionist claim that people campaign against Israel because it is Jewish.
I have provided an alternative transcript. It is the one that Jeremy Corbyn could, if he had had the backbone and verve, to use his word, to use. It is the one he would have used 3 years ago.
TRANSCRIPT
Debate Between Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith at the JW3 September 18th
Q: Jeremy Corbyn Will you support that – the Jewish Labour Movement rule change?
Yes it will be going to Conference & it follows on from the general anti-racist statement that I’ve proposed to the National Executive some months ago which was actually unanimously agreed by the NEC as a prelude to putting forward a rule change at this years Conference. There something really sad that we are the only political party that has ever had a general statement of anti-racism in its… so thank you very much for your Question and good luck on the NCC.
[the Jewish Labour Movement Rule Change will make anti-Semitic ‘beliefs’ not just their expression an offence. The explanatory wording states that Zionism should not be a term of ‘abuse’ even though this racist ideology and movement is by definition abusive – the Rule Change also says that the ‘victim’ of an anti-Semitic should be taken at their word and that there should be an overwhelming presumption of guilt against someone accused. So if a Zionist accuses a supporter of Palestine of being anti-Semitic then that accusation must be accepted. To his shame Corbyn has accepted this lock, stock and barrel.]
Q: Jeremy & Owen – I wanted to find out from you what aspects of Israel & its achievements do you most admire
Compere: Mr Corbyn what do you most admire about Israel and its achievements?
Jeremy Corbyn – I admire the verve and spirit of the towns and cities in Israel – the life and the way people conduct themselves, I admire the separation of legal and political powers and the system of democratic government that is there and I admire many of the technical and industrial achievements that Israel has made and its very advanced technology in so many way that it has developed in medical and telecommunications technology.
Owen Smith – I admire the incredible strength….
Does anyone have a link to what Corbyn actually said at this meeting?
You can watch it here: http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/labour-hustings/
Most readers welcome Jeremy Corbyn’s re-election as Labour Party leader. But what are his real attitudes towards Palestine and Israel, towards the appropriateness of a Jewish state on Palestinian land? Tony Greenstein has shown courage by calling a spade a spade when it comes to Corbyn’s worryingly friendly words towards Israel. Thanks to him particularly for this paragraph:
“Corbyn’s experiences over the past year are a sombre warning to all those who believe it is possible to support the Palestinians on the basis of Israel’s human rights violations without understanding that the latter are a result of the Jewish nature of the Israeli state. It is Zionist settler colonialism, its search for an ethnically pure state, its constant desire to effect ethnic cleansing at the same time as it colonises and consolidates its occupation, which leads to the human rights violations. It is a lesson that Palestine Solidarity Campaign has yet to learn. You cannot support the Palestinians unless you reject Zionism. Two statism, support for a Jewish state, is incompatible with self-determination and justice for the Palestinians.”
Here are transcript excerpts from Corbyn’s appearance on 4 July 2016 before the Home Affairs Committee, chaired by Keith Vaz, playing like it was investigating antisemitism. My purpose is not to trash Corbyn, who is far better than any mainstream politician in his support for Palestinian rights and has many other good points, but simply to show where he really stands so that we anti-Zionists know better how to do the work of conversing with open-minded people like him, Labour Friends of the Middle East and Palestine, and the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
1) @16:04:30 Vaz: Do you want to take this opportunity of condemning the words used by Ken Livingstone and distancing yourself as leader of the Labour Party from what Ken Livingstone has said in his reference to Hitler’s support to Zionism?
Corbyn: Ken Livingstone made remarks that are wholly unacceptable and totally wrong…. I think we have to condemn the way in which he made the remarks and the remarks themselves and the equation of Hitler and Zionism at the same time.
2) @16:07:48 Vaz: Jackie Walker, the Vice-Chair of Momentum, wrote about the African Holocaust of Jews as chief financiers of the slave trade. Why is she in the Labour Party, while Mr Livingstone has been suspended?
Corbyn: As I understand it she became involved in online discussion about the history of slave trade and the financing of slave trade. Unfortunately she then became involved in a discussion about gradations of horror that go with that. And she was indeed suspended…. She was subsequently reinstated.
Vaz: You are happy to have someone in the Party who’s made those comments.
Corbyn: I certainly wouldn’t make those comments myself and I think it’s an inappropriate way of doing things.
3) @16:16:16 Vaz: You failed to intervene when one of your Labour MPs, a Jewish MP, Ruth Smeeth, was accused by a Momentum activist of working hand-in-hand with the Daily Telegraph and she left that press conference in tears. Do you wish you had intervened?
Corbyn: To be honest I wasn’t aware that she’d left at that stage. And the remarks made by Marc Wadsworth that were along the lines that she had been working hand-in-glove with the Daily Telegraph were inappropriate and wrong.
4) @16:17:12 Vaz: In 2009 your shared a platform with Hezbollah at an event where you described them and Hamas and Hezbollah as your ‘friends’. Are they still your friends?
Corbyn: The language I used at that meeting, it was here in Parliament, and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead….
Vaz: Do you regard them as your friends?
Corbyn: No. I… It was inclusive language that I used which with hindsight I would rather not have used.
Vaz: So you regret using those words.
Corbyn: I regret using those words….
Vaz: And they’re no longer your friends? Hezbollah and Hamas are no longer your friends?
Corbyn: They never were.
5) @16:19:05 Vaz: But you wouldn’t invite [Raed Salah, head of the Northern Islamic Movement banned in November 2015 by Israel] back to tea at the House of Commons like you did previously?
Corbyn: [One must talk with all parties, but] No I don’t think so, but he’s not coming back, either.
6) @16:19:11 Vaz: You wrote defending Stephen Sizer, a vicar disciplined by the Church of England for anti-semitism, saying he was under attack by pro-Israeli smear campaign. Do you regret those comments?
Corbyn: I’ve met Stephen Sizer on many occasions in his role as a vicar and somebody who does support Palestinian people,… these are people living in the Palestinian territories, and I was very surprised when that was done to him.
Vaz: Do you still support what he does?
Corbyn: Um, he’s…
Vaz: Would you still support what he says?
Corbyn: I supported what he was doing in supporting the Palestinian people. The things that emerged later I wasn’t aware of at the time.
7) @16:19:59 Vaz: You spoke at a labour union conference on Palestine which called for Labour to disaffiliate from its Jewish arm and denounce the Zionist state as racist. Do you stand by those statements?
Corbyn: No I don’t believe that to be the case [sic.]. What I’ve been involved with all my life is opposition to racism in any form. And also a very deep desire to see a long-term durable peace settlement in the Middle East…. The only way you’ll ever bring about a process is by meeting people with whom you profoundly disagree. [?]
8) @16:34:26 [Enter stage left the inimitable Vicky Atkins]
Atkins: [baits Corbyn by calling Ken Livingstone “your friend Ken” – who has terribly upset the Chairman of the Board of Deputies of British Jews]
Corbyn: Ken Livingstone has been suspended from Labour-Party membership following the remarks that he made. So obviously, we have taken action as a party.
9) @16:49:10 David Winnick: Do you feel that there needs to be perhaps more sensitivity when dealing with the Palestinian cause and occupation… the continued occupation in the lands conquered since 1967?
Corbyn: Of course there has to be enormous sensitivity. The Jewish people faced the holocaust. 6 million died in the gas chambers…. And in the many events I’ve been to over the years there’s often been a significant Jewish presence, at events calling for peace within the Middle East and a degree of solidarity with Palestinian people during for example during the bombardment of Gaza. Does that mean they are anti-Jewish? No, what it does mean is they recognise there is a historical issue here that has to be addressed and dealt with.
10) @16:51:55 Winnick: In no way were you associating Israel… with the mass murderers of ISIS, who murder simply for the sake of murdering. Am I right?
Corbyn: Absolutely no connection, no comparison no connection whatsoever. Of course there is no comparison. I didn’t make any such comparison.
11) @16:52:49 David Burrowes: On what basis do you condemn Ken Livingstone’s remarks as being wrong and unacceptable?
Corbyn: The use of the Hitler comparison on the issues of Zionism in Germany in the 1930s the historical parallels he drew.
Burrowes [with increased venom]: So, on the basis that of they’re racist and anti-semitic.
Corbyn: I think it’s a wrong comparison to draw. But he is, his remarks are the subject of an investigation. There is a due process going on within the party. I think we must let that process take… It’s not for me to comment on the process that is going on.
Burrowes: You made a judgment, you’ve condemned them, they are wrong and unacceptable. You have done.
Corbyn: I made a point about his remarks and I think we should allow it to ..
Burrowes: You made a judgment that they’re wrong, they’re unacceptable.
Corbyn: We’ve made a judgment that he should be suspended….
Burrowes: [On the basis of the McPherson definition] Surely you would agree that Ken Livingstone’s comments should be regarded as racist.
Corbyn: There is due process taking place on Ken Livingstone. I condemn the remarks that he made. That is why I and others were consulted on this and he was suspended from party membership. Due process is taking place.
12) @17:15:30 Tim Loughton: When [Seumas Milne, an employee of the Labour Party], at a rally, praised Hamas for their spirit of resistance and chanted that they will not be broken, do you think that sounds as though he’s acting as a friend of Hamas?
Corbyn: I’m unaware of that incident…. Seumas Milne is Director of Communications and as such works on our behalf…
13) Loughton: So you’re not prepared to condemn any comments which Mr Milne made or may not have made but we’ve got on video, so, is Ken Livingstone a friend of yours?
Corbyn [Brutus?]: I’ve known Ken Livingstone [Caesar?] since 1971 as an extremely active member of the Labour Party. I first met him when he was a Lambeth Councillor.
Loughton: But is he a friend?
Corbyn: Hang on, he then went on…
Loughton: We’re not asking about … we’re asking if he’s a friend.
Corbyn: Yes. Of course. Ken Livingstone….
Loughton: Is he still a friend?
Corbyn: Well, I took part in his suspension from the party. He is under investigation. In those circumstances it would be wholly inappropriate to be involved.
Loughton: But you’re still a friend of his?
Corbyn: I’m not an ENEMY of Ken Livingstone and I want Ken Livingstone to mend his ways.
Loughton: OK, but is he still a friend?… [unclear words] Would you describe Ken Livingstone, now, as a friend?
Corbyn: Look, Ken Livingstone, as Mr Umunna pointed out during the evidence that Ken presented, has done a fantastic amount in London… on anti-racism and many many other issues… [all talk at once]
Loughton: I didn’t ask whether he is a fantastic loyalist… I just asked if he’s a friend.
Corbyn: Ken Livingstone has been a friend of mine for a very long time. I was very upset and very disappointed at the remarks he made. He was suspended from the party. As a result of it he is under investigation. I think that shows just how seriously we as a party take this issue.
Intervention Vaz: I think Mr Loughton just wants a simple answer. Is he a friend or not?
Corbyn: He’s had an answer. Of course, Ken Livingstone has been a friend of mine for a very long time but, we suspended him from the party because of the remarks that he made which are now under investigation.
Loughton: I really will try to keep it short and simple. … Ken Livingstone is a serial offender. And only now, have you found that his remarks are inappropriate, but you remain a friend…
[@17:18:40] Corbyn: Listen, I disagree with his remarks. I’ve known Ken a long time, there’s been lots to disagree with. I think that his remarks were wrong, and I hope the investigation will deal with that. There is a due process going on.
14) @17:22:45 Stuart McDonald: Are you coming down on the side of the view [along with the Chakrabarti report] that referencing Hitler and the Holocaust and so on is absolutely offensive but not anti-semitic? Is that what you’re saying?
Corbyn: No, I’m not saying it’s not anti-semitic. And in the report and recommendations SC makes that extremely clear…. I think you can look at the Israel-Palestine issue in specific terms, drawing parallels with what happened elsewhere is not helpful, indeed it’s wrong. Because the Holocaust was unique in its horror, unique in its violence and unique in its attempt at the obliteration of a whole nation, of a whole race of people.
15) @17:27:05 James Berry: Mr Corbyn, do you agree that the state of Israel has a right to exist?
Corbyn: Sorry?
Berry: Do you agree that the state of Israel has a right to exist?
Corbyn: Israel exists, of course.
Berry: And you agree it has the RIGHT to exist?
Corbyn: Yes, and all proposals that are put forward are actually,… and our party’s policy is for a two-state solution.
Berry: Do you understand why Jewish people find it at best offensive and at worst downright anti-semitic to have to continually justify Israel’s right to exist?
Corbyn: I think they… I’m sure, I’m sure they do. There are issues about Israel and its treatment of Palestinian people and occupation of the West Bank and the siege of Gaza…. [Peace] involves acceptance of the rights of Palestinian people and recognition of a Palestinian state…. Our House of Commons, on a non-binding resolution, did vote to recognise the state of Palestine.
16) @17:32:03 Berry: Your May party political broadcast featured a gentleman called Jawad Khan who was also one of your local party local council candidates for the Labour Party and he has said on Twitter ‘Anyone else [can] see the similarity between Israel and the Nazis.’ Do you agree that that kind of comment is totally unacceptable.
Corbyn: It’s not acceptable at all.
Form your own opinion of Corbyn’s overall performance under this pressure. But I don’t believe we can feel that all is well with a Labour leader holding middle-of-the-road views on the rights of Palestinians – including as we know refugees and residents inside 48 – even if he is the best frontbench friend Palestinians have ever had. Like it or not, the only two household names who have walked the last mile for Palestine are George Galloway and Ken Livingstone – neither of them by the way anti-Semites. We still have much work to do.
Blake Alcott 24 September 2016